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Panda/Penguin Analysis

Posted by Dori Friend
Dori Friend
SEO Geek. Dori Friend is the head and founder of SEONitro. She is the go to SEO
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on Thursday, 17 May 2012
in SEO Industry News
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I have been asked a lot about what I think about the state of SEO, what others are saying about it, and if I think blog networks have a future.

And an even bigger and growing question, what do we do now?

First, because it is still really early since the recent Panda and Penguin updates, no one really knows "exactly" what is going on, (except for Google of course) but there has been some great analytical data done on it. My personal favorite is MicroSiteMasters is seo dead write-up on the Panguin deriving at some interesting conclusions from looking at the data they had. (its a must read!)

I personally have been locked in my office for the last couple of weeks analyzing sites that ARE currently ranking against sites that have fallen and you know what, I have a sickening feeling that Google has played us a fool. :-(

Let me explain..

 

There has been a TON of buzz going around about the what I would like to call the “Valentine’s Shake Down” and even though some people are reporting that their ranking are starting to come back, others are still down a couple spots or so, and others still, blown to the wood shed!

So, what happened?

On about Feb 7th rankings starting to rumble and it has sent SEO professionals (including me) into a frenzy trying to figure out what the heck was causing the decrease in rankings of seo’ed sites.  (And, we still don’t know for sure were the devalue is, but most will agree, there is a devaluing happening somewhere.)

So let’s start late last year…

Last November, there are numerous reports from bloggers letting us know that they heard Matt Cutts speak and Pubcon and he said that “some of the webspam engineers had been loaned out on other projects but since the completion of most, he is getting them back and there were two big projects they were working on.”

He was also reported to say that they will be taking a look at “Exact Match Domain” names and that he thinks right now having an exact match domain is giving a site too much power in the ranks and that this will be revealed in the coming months.
(citation: http://backlinksforum.com/main-backlinks-linkbuilding-discussion/3137-pubcon-matt-cutts.html)

So it should be no surprise that…

On January 21st Google released a “State of Search” type of blog post that dove into webspam. In short, they said even though they have already made great progress, they “have new efforts underway to continue to improve our search quality.” And.. “we’re evaluating multiple changes that should help drive spam levels even lower, including one change that primarily affects sites that copy others’ content and sites with low levels of original content.
(citation: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/01/google-search-and-search-engine-spam.html)

And then on January 28 Matt Cutt’s further told us on his blog in reference to the above quote, “That change was approved at our weekly quality launch meeting last Thursday and launched earlier this week.” And he went on to say… “The net effect is that searchers are more likely to see the sites that wrote the original content rather than a site that scraped or copied the original site’s content.
(citation: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/algorithm-change-launched/)

Well, I thought, that is great news!

Nobody likes the webspam sites anyway (junk you see in search results)

And, most of us who are doing any type of linking don’t want the site we are linking “from” showing up in the rankings and heaven forbid they land on top of the site we are linking “too.” (which sometimes happens if you are linking from an nice authority sites to a long tail keyword) I mean, we are NOT trying to rank THOSE sites so.. check, we’re good!

So then on Feb 7th, the shake down became obvious that it may not just be sites with low quality content being targeted, it may also be low quality linking was next on the list.

Back in the original January 21 Google blog posts said, “The new classifier is better at detecting spam on individual web pages, e.g., repeated spammy words—the sort of phrases you tend to see in junky, automated, self-promoting blog comments.” (see original site citation above)

Ok, check on that one too as I was glad I didn’t do any of THAT! lol

But Backlinksforum.com was buzzing with so much conflicting evidence that a direct pin point on exactly is causing a link devaluation is unclear at best. I just know none of my moneys sites that have been linked to exclusively from my private blog networks were NOT affected, AND, what surprised me most is that I had one of my assistants doing some testing with profile links and xrumer and THOSE money sites were not affected either as they all held their rankings. Hmmm.

One of my sites did however drop from  #4 to #17 on a major keyword, but I had also used someone else’s link network on it AND the links were not contextual) Hmm.

Then on Feb 12, the  JC Penny debacle was released to the world in the New York Times.  WOW!
(citation: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/business/13search.html?_r=2&scp=2&sq=jc+penny&st=cse)

Bottom lining it, JC Penny was in so many #1 spots that it drew attention to the New York Times and as they investigated their story, it drew the Google’s attention! Weather or not Google did a manual review and de-indexed sites that were contributing to the inflation of their rankings we won’t know for sure, but JC Penny’s rankings have suffered the same sort of ranking drops as many other seo’d sites. Not to the woodshed, but just a couple of spots or more.

And, since it has affected the entire SEO community, my bet is on the algorithm change that lowered JC Penny’s rankings not a manual review. Or maybe both, but one thing is for sure, the rest of us got caught in the back wash. lol ;-)

Oh and for the most part “Exact Match Domains” are history. There are some exceptions of course, but unless they are a .com and have age and size, they have been pushed back into the nowheresville just for being an EMD.

So, the take away is?

Google’s WebSpam engineers are baaaaaaack… making our lives interesting again! ;-)

 

DID SOMETHING JUST CLICK IN YOUR HEAD? It should of, cause the JC Penny thing happned LAST YEAR!

I wrote that post Feb 24th, 2011!!

And of course that was the Panda 1.0 update and the Article Networks were hit HARD! The seo community divided on the use of posting articles as a seo benefit.

One year later, Article Network pages still don't appear on page 1 results as they once did, but links are proving to be benefitial in proper link density. (more on link density later)

So lesson #1. Deja vu!

One year later, the seo community is taking another beating almost to the day! This time it is blog networks taking the brunt of the hit as everyone turn themselves in when Google sent out those dreaded "Un-natually Linking" emails into webmasters inboxes.

Here is the rundown of the last couple of months as "I" saw it.

Jan-Feb, 2012

Un-naturual Linking Emails From Google

Google sends out in excess of 750,000 "Unnatrual Linking" notices to webmasters boxes and scares the crapola out of even the most savoy seo'ers. Webmasters turned themselves in and the blog networks started to unravel.

At first presumming moles, it is later consistantely believe that seo hosting IPs were the point of entry after webmasters declaration of sites and services they used. Google does what is presumed to be manual review and massive deindexing of sites used in these services.

Google demands that webmasters get rid of these "un-natural links" that are pointing to their sites and the frenzie begins as webmasters panic and start link removal campaigns.

Jan 14th   Panda 3.2 Refresh -
Jan 19th

New Layout Improvement Update

Google introduces new layout update that dials down sites with aggressive ad layout above the fold and goes almost unnoticed in comparrison to the above.

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2012/01/page-layout-algorithm-improvement.html

Feb 7th  

I launched SeoLinkMonster with Brad and Matt Callen

Feb 15   We noticed a server of sites deindex, we get hammered in forums, we quickly replace sites thinking it was a bad batch of IPs
Feb 29th

Panda 3.3 Refresh! WOW!

This refresh was the most dramatic since 1.0 in my openion and is when we really started seeing sites drop like bricks. Everyone is scrambling to try and figure out what the devalue is. I stop development on a seo course I was working on until we could figure out what was going on.

     
March 10th

We notice more sites being deindexed and start monitoring and replacing. It feels like Google is playing wack-a-mole with us as they deindex everything we put up. Customers quit in droves and link removal requests start to come in the masses.

     
March 15th

Matt Cutts confirms on twitter that blog networks are on their radar. :-(

     
March 20th BuildMyRank Closes its doors calling it a good run :-(
     
March 23rd  

Panda 3.4 Refresh

April 4th   I release update to SeoNitro customers signing a NDA
     
April 18

Negative SEO Case Study Reveled on Traffic Planet
http://trafficplanet.com/topic/2369-case-study-negative-seo-results/

This reveals the possiblity that by pointing to many "exact match" anchor links at a site, that site will drop in rankings and opens the doors for much discussion concerning Google opening the door for negative seo attacks on competitors.

     
April 19   2012 Panda 3.5 Refresh
     
April 24

Penguin!

Penguin Update is launched with an aim at combatting WebSpam and give examples of "keyword stuffing" and "linking schemes."

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.co.nz/2012/04/another-step-to-reward-high-quality.html

They create a dividing line between black and white hat seo and it is apparent that anything other then making your site easier to crawl and putting good content on your site is Black Hat.

From Matt Cutts

"We want people doing white hat search engine optimization (or even no search engine optimization at all) to be free to focus on creating amazing, compelling web sites."

…"even no optimization at all…" yeah right, and pigs may just fly one day too! (From Matt Carters Blog in response to that, as it was too good not to repeat! lol)

     
End April to Present

The Aftermath

An endless amount of outrage, reviews, analysis and water cooler gossip about Google's new approach to seo. (how could they?!?)

A couple great analytic reviews reveal that excessive "exact match" keywords in addition to excessive on-page optimizationto are major culprits of the dial down.

     

And then...

May 10, Google's Matt Cutt's makes a revealing admission...


(citation: http://searchengineland.com/google-talks-penguin-update-recover-negative-seo-120463)

Um, "not about bad link networks?"

So even though the blog networks took the brunt of the blame this time around, all those notices were not the result of the blog networks? Wow!!

But, it actually makes sense.

Blog networks traditionally and if done right can't take on a massive amount of customers. I had only a little more then of 400 in both SeoNitro and SEOLinkvine Elite so I knew "my" networks weren't responsible for 700,000 notices!! I don't know about BMR, HPRS, or ALNs membership stats but I would be surprised if all of us put together totalled more then 10k customers.

I had put that 2 + 2 together a long time ago, but it didn't seem to matter, the damage had been done. We (the collective seo industry) told on ourselves and the unravelment of the incredible blog network ranking machines were thrusted into the cross hairs of Google's deindexing committee, and we did NOT win.

But here is the kicker.

Not only did they deindex the sites, they demanded that webmasters have their links taken off of those de-indexed sites before any reconsideration would be done.

Now, I scratch my head. Why would they demand this if these links were on de-indexed sites that were dead, gone, forgotten, virtually rendored useless in the eyes of Google. Except for the tattle tale element, there was nothing really compelling for it, I mean, surely Google is smart enough to know when a link is on a deindex site and rendered useless? Right? But the drill continued over and over, until we all blindly followed the piper and we took down links and then finally just huge portions of networks.

Mistake?

Now I would never want to open the can of worms or even suggest that deindexed sites can still have some sort of relevance in Google. That would be ludicrus, wouldn't it? And I certainly would not want to get in ANY debate over it, I am still incredibly sore from the forum bashings and hate mail I have recieved in the last couple of months over the entire de-indexing debacle!

But.. I will say, I do have people in my line up that want those links.. de-indexed or not.

Strange right? I thought so until they have showed me examples of sites ranking for amazingly hard gambling keywords with the majority of links coming in from BLOGROLL LINKS on DEINDEXED SITES!! Yeah, that's right, blogroll links!! Forget that the site is deindex, if that isn't enough, they were BLOGROLL LINKS!! (I haven't given blogroll links any credence in years, but I saw it for myself.)

And I checked those links and sure enough, most of them are on de-indexed sites. (I can't publish them here to protect the site owner so you will have to trust me on that one.)

Then I thought to myself, well it is true.. whenever we suffered patial de-indexing in the past it NEVER corralated with a drop in rankings. Hmmm

So what if it wasn't the de-indexing of the networks that made a lot of these sites drop? Hmmm

(I was amoung everyone that thought the ranking drops of blog network users were because of the loss of links derived from the mass deindexing. I mean, if the site was deindex, the link was as good as gone, right?)

Well, just what if..

..what if it was actually a loss of links from the networks taking down links at customer requests in combination with the "exact match" keyword dial down?

(the "exact match" keyword dial down had been coming and getting stronger (or should I say weaker) for a while. I had done an entire write-up on it for my seo mastermind back in Nov, 2011 and had been advising customers to make sure they had a large percentage of URL links to balance their linking profile for years)

I then wondered if Google still crawled de-indexed sites?

Well one way to find out was to go look at the logs of the sites that I had that had been de-indexed.

And to my surprise... they DO!

 

googlbot

WOW!

This made me start digging a little deeper into sites that dropped.

And what I found was that in the sites that "I" looked at, every single one of them had a higher dead link percentage. (IMPORTANT: this is NOT a link from a de-indexed site, it is a link that is no longer there or the site is not available)

Average for dead links is running around 20% and anything with 40% or higher was NOT on the first page for their respective keywords and the ones over 70% were not in the first 100 for their respecive keywords.

Here are three case studies I did for this article. Each of them in a different market and each had used blog networks, some more then others, but they all had dipped their toes into it.

You can see the affected sites on the left have a WAY larger % of dead links (in blue) and the two that dropped into the hundreds on the top lack a wider range of link types when compared to the sites on the right side that are high on page one for their repsective keywords.

IMPORTANT: Dead links are NOT a link from a de-indexed site, it is a link that is no longer there or the site is not available. This tool does not decifer if the link is coming from a de-indexed site or not.

So what does all this mean?

I don't really know, but if we have a site ranking in the gambling industry whom left their links up from de-index sites and sites that have dropped because they took those de-indexed links down, that there might be something here, and Google may have played us big time.

So, I am testing it.

I have created case study on one of my own sites that ranks respecitivly in it's market and have just started a linking campaign towards it using ONLY de-indexed sites.

I am linking using industry phrases that I am currently NOT ranking for (top 1000) and if I show up for those keywords, then we know that de-indexed sites do play a role in ranking efforts. If I go down in my established rankings, then we know that links from de-indexed sites can be used to negatively seo a site. If nothing happens, then we know de-indexed sites do nothing. (which I am still inclined to think, but I will finish this out lol)

Now with that said, I don't want to leave here with you thinking that the dead links are the ONLY contributing factor to the aboves sites loss in the rankings. That was something I just considered worthy of discussion.

As I studied them and their competition that is currently on page one of Google for their respective keywords, in every case I found the following post panda/penquin off-page disqualifiers.

  1. Over 40% of their links were dead: as reported above(not de-indexed, dead as in sites that are NOT crawlable)
  2. Social Factors were lower then competition: This means, not as many FaceBook "likes," "shares," Twitter "tweats," or Google+.
  3. Links were not diversified as much as competion: (I am seeing a lot of directory, forum, blogroll, footer and sidebar links, go figure lol)
  4. Abnormaly high "exact match" keywords: in what I have looked at it is really hard to come up with a general number as I have seen percentages all over the map, so look at your percentage as compared to your competitions whom is ranking above you.
  5. Lower amount of onesys and twosy links: sites generally get a LOT of strange, varried links as no one thinks the same when linking so this also goes in hand with #4. Get your percentage of anchor text that are only used once.

[possible pic of anchor]

Below are the SEOMoz comparative features of each of these case studies. You can see that the sites that have been lowered in the rankings are decent sites and in some facets even better then the ones that are out ranking them now.

[pic of seomoz reports]

 

 

 

 

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Major SEO Research Tool (Yahoo Site Explorer) NOW Debunked!

Posted by Dori Friend
Dori Friend
SEO Geek. Dori Friend is the head and founder of SEONitro. She is the go to SEO
User is currently offline
on Tuesday, 15 November 2011
in SEO Industry News

 yahoo is gone

Have you tried doing a backlink search lately on Yahoo?

Guess what?

It doesn't work! :-(

Sometime over the weekend one of my staff members who does a LOT of research for me EVERYDAY, emails me to say, "Dori, something is wrong with Yahoo!, it is not giving me backlink detail for my research!"

And sure enough, I checked it out, and what I got was tragic!

powered by bing

It's not a total surprise since they did announce back in July (Bing Blog on Site Explorer Closer) they were going to close it down, but now that it is gone, well, makes me kind of sad. So now along with Yahoo! search..Yahoo! Site Explorer has gone totally Bing! 

 
And the worst part is, is that Bing is pulling a Google and NOT showing us all link data. They have redirected SEO's to their webmaster tools, but that isn't looking promising either. When asked about competitive data Duane Forrester of Bing says..

"..So, I will tell you about what I have about your website, and you can have hundreds of websites and I'll tell you about all of those individually through the tool set. I won't give you the facility to simply enter another domain of your choosing and get similar data back. "  -  from SEOMoz 10/20/11 White Board Interview

And they aren't, for example, I just did a search on www.About.com, a site we all know that has a gazillion links going into it, and while OpenSiteExplorer.com and MajesticSEO.com are reporting hundreds of thousands of backlinks, Yahoo! ala Bing, is reporting a measly 112! (And yes, Bing reports the same thing)

 


So, what does this mean?

1) Bing now has 30% search share and that is something to pay attention too.

2) SEO's will have to resort to 1 of 2 paid services for competive data (OpenSiteExplorer and MajesticSEO).

So for me, who uses this type of data everyday, it isn't that big a deal, and I belong to both. But, for the newbie or the person who needs the data only once in a while, the debunkness of Yahoo's Site Explorer Tool will be sorely missed.

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Recent Comments Show all comments
  • Online ACLS
    Online ACLS says #
    Solid stuff. Will miss the spytool for sure.
  • Jewel Jubic
    Jewel Jubic says #
    Yahoo! Site Explorer gives you best sites available!!
  • SEO
    SEO says #
    Arhhhhh.... its a conspriracy I tell you. Not sure what Bing stands to gain from hiding data like this. Oh well, hello SEO Majest...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Well, Today is the day it is all over! lol, Guess I was just a couple days premature with my announcement, but the writing was on ...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Thanks guys! I have ALWAYS just used the link: search parameter in Yahoo! to get to Site Explorer, strange that they would disco...
  • Mack the Knife
    Mack the Knife says #
    No problemo! The link popularity tool at marketleap.com is another alternative. Hat tip Andy Jenkins.
  • Aman
    Aman says #
    Its working fine for me to Doris...
  • Scott Bartell
    Scott Bartell says #
    Yahoo Site Explorer is not dead... You just used the wrong tool. http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/...
  • Vegar
    Vegar says #
    Yahoo! Site Explorer works for me as well. I have to go to siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com and log in to my Yahoo! account, but when...
  • Tim O'Keefe
    Tim O'Keefe says #
    Yah Kurt link:about.com but didn't linkdomain: url.com bring you to that page? I didn't usually use that I would use Quirk in Fir...
  • Kurt Schmitt
    Kurt Schmitt says #
    Tim - I could be wrong, but I believe that it used to be that link:domainname.com at the "Web" search box at Yahoo.com would bring...
  • Kurt Schmitt
    Kurt Schmitt says #
    Ooops... that second link should have been http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/search?p=about.com&bwm=i&bwmo=d&bwmf=s Sorry!...
  • StayBank
    StayBank says #
    Yahoo and Bing -- Needs more cowbell!
  • Kurt Schmitt
    Kurt Schmitt says #
    It's not dead yet. Yahoo! search has been pulling results from Bing for quite some time. No surprise there. For Yahoo! Site Explo...
  • Adam Maywald
    Adam Maywald says #
    Yup, I agree - still see it as well. Yahoo! Site Explorer still works fine. It's not the only tool out there, but it is still fu...
  • Wholenewmind
    Wholenewmind says #
    We all know it is coming but finally it happened. Great post! Thank you.
  • john
    john says #
    Yea i totally agree with you. BTW its very informative Thanks

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