Tuesday May 21 , 2013

Dori Friend

SEO is a moving target at best! And, myths whirl though this industry like no other! We at SEONitro don't believe what we hear, but only what we test. This is where we report and discuss the happenings in our industry as well as our test results. Please feel free to praise, argue, or just rattle on about YOUR point of view. It is all good. :-)

Dori Friend

Dori Friend

SEO Geek. Dori Friend is the head and founder of SEONitro. She is the go to SEO for many of the "famous" online marketers. She is straight forward and only believes what she tests and not what she hears.

Penguin 2.0 Again?

Posted by Dori Friend
Dori Friend
SEO Geek. Dori Friend is the head and founder of SEONitro. She is the go to SEO
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on Friday, 17 May 2013
in SEO Industry News

Ok, you may or may not of seen Matt Cutt's video he posted on May 13th but once again, he is telling us about how "deep" this next Penguin update will be.

Matt Cutts

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog

When I listen to Matt, he seems like such a nice trust-worthy type of guy, but I just can't help from thinking, that is exactly what Google wants us to think! LOL

And, Cutt's has already once before warned us of a "jarring and jolting" Penguin update that was to take place last year. (http://www.seroundtable.com/google-penguin-warning-15577.html) The update happened on Oct 5th, 2012 and well, it was a smooth ride.

So, when he made THAT statement "last year," could he have really been referring to what Google is internally calling "Penguin 2.0" that he just announced to be rolling out in next couple of weeks?

Could be. But, my gut tells me, it may be more of the same and hit the sites that are doing the same ole linking patterns that got the first round of sites penalized last year. You know the ones, the ones that used exact match anchor text over and over again, or just as obvious, partial matches of about 10 keywords.

For example, I just arbitrarily Google'd "weight loss" and look at this site... 123-weightloss.com ranks on the FIRST page of Google for these major monster weight loss keywords that they are hitting incredibly hard with links! Below is a screenshot from LinkDensity (that by the way is a great tool for competitive research!) that shows the percentage of incoming links to 123-weightloss.com with the anchor text being used. They have heavily targeted about a dozen keywords and are ranking for ALL but one, not to mention the variations and derivative keywords that fall inline with this type of linking campaign.

I scratch my head thinking, well this is an obvious SEO'd site! lol But, look, TODAY at this very moment, it is working and working VERY WELL!


But again, my guts says once Penguin runs again no matter what update they call it, (http://searchengineland.com/google-matt-cutts-penguin-update-158980) we are going to see these types of sites fall like we saw them fall a year ago with the Panda 3.3 on Feb 27 and Penguin 1 on April 24.

I mean, come on, whomever owns this site is not even doing any buffering, barely any type of decent (as in well made) sites linking to them, but they do have sites with a ton of PageRank and MajesticSEO Trust Flow. (Here is a lint to a short video I did further examining the site on a side note: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6bj_jN2A-0)

I have had many people tell me, "oh Dori, don't be so pessimistic about exact/partial match keywords! Sites are ranking all the time doing it." And I would always say back, yeah and I bet they didn't started ranking until AFTER the last Penguin update! And proof here with this site as well. The last Penguin update was Oct 5th and guess what, MajesticSEO shows all the inbound linking taking place right after!

backlink discovered
 
And yep, SEMrush, follow suit with their keyword ranking discovery.
 
semrush
 

So... ahem.. and again, I bet this site disappears after the next Penguin Update. But does that mean that the next Penguin will do more damage then it already has? I just can't imagine! It may however turn Penguin into more of a recurring event so we "can't" do the quick churn and burn model that this site is doing by hitting it quick and hard and having a hay day for about 8 months! But, it sure is worth giving it a go AFTER the next update! lol

I also just want to comment that this site has AGE (first resisted in 2002!). It was probably purchased in the Auctions before it dropped and boom, all that "Who is" age stays along with it as well as archive.orgs. It was a Herbalife consultant that use to own this and I highly doubt it was her who did this incredible "go for it" SEO job! lol


domain

But back to Matt Cutt's video. Let's look at what he has to say, he starts out the video with what SEOs should be doing and that is..

Matt Cutts"..creating a great site, users love, bookmark, that they come back over and over again and it is compelling." (Dori: we can't argue with THAT and I think most SEOs would agree!)

And then he goes into Penguin and says..

Matt Cutts"We are relatively close to deploying the next generation of Penguin and internally what we call Penguin 2.0 (Dori: what, I thought we were up to Penguine 4.0) and again Penguin is a webspam change that is dedicated to finding Blackhat webspam (Dori: now remember, anything YOU do to try and modify your rankings is against Google's terms and conditions and is now considered BlackHat!) and try to target it and address that. So this one is a little more comprehensive then Penguin 1.0 and we expect to go deeper and have a little bit more of an impact then the original version of Penguin." (Dori: rut row, I can't imagine it going "deeper?")

He also talked about NEW Link Analysis..

Matt Cutts"We are also looking at some ways to go upstream to deny the value to link spammers, (Dori: this makes me think they may possibly devalue PageRank? or?) for people who spam links in various ways, we've got some nice ideas and trying to make sure that THAT becomes less effective, and so we expect that will roll out in the next few months as well. (Dori: and since they seemingly still go after blog networks and link sellers manually, this tells me 1) those activities still work to rank sites, and 2) they may have something in the hopper that will combat this algorithmically, which "I" would RATHER deal with actually! lol)

And if fact we are working on a completely different system that does more sophisticated link analysis, we are still in the early days of that but are pretty excited, we have some data that were are ready to start munching and see whether that bears fruit or not." (Dori: so something that may or not bear fruit but telling us about it for a good scare factor.)

Then some GOOD NEWS on Panda..

Matt Cutts"We have also been looking at Panda and seeing if we can find some additional signals and we think we have some to help refine things for sites that are kinda in the boarder zone, in the grey area a little bit, so if we can soften the effect a little bit for those sites that have some additional signals of quality that will help some sites that might of previously be affected to some degree by Panda." (Dori: I am SO happy to hear they are going back and fine tuning this so perhaps some of us that were unfairly hit may come back!)

Another topic that was actually in the middle of the video was the idea of Google going after "Advertorials." I thought this was interesting because I had been long planning a blog post title "Guess Who is Selling Links and Getting Away With It?"

A couple months ago I had found some pretty big news media selling text link ads and giving them full DO FOLLOW links from NICE PageRank pages. You can see for yourself, (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/national/usstatesterritoriesandpossessions/texas/index.html) and even though I could of and probably should still write an entire post on how the "Big Guys" get away with not only selling links, but clearly BUYING links with NO penalty what-so-ever, but I will just post this one example for now.

If you download any of the major media's ad specs you are going to see different types of display ads along with "hyperlink text" in the notes, meaning, they get a "link" with "anchor text" in it!

 
selling links
 
And yes, we find the links.
buying links

Look at this, here is a beautiful New York Times page that is a PageRank 7 that has what they are calling "Texas Navigator" resources, and one can argue for example that since "Whole Foods," and "Neiman Marcus" both have their national head quarters in Texas that these links are appropriate even though they just go directly to non-Texas landing pages. However, the New York times is not stupid and they know how to place links, either purchased through their advertorial department or other concessions, the placement of such are no doubt under the radar paid links. I mean, why even have a "Texas Navigator" with links that go off-site? Duh! They are PAID!

new york times selling links

What makes it even more notable is that it isn't like they don't know how to use the "No Follow" tag as they us it on 95% of links that go directly back inside the site, but interestingly leave it out on links going outside of their site, thus, sculpting the PageRank to flow to you know who, their undisclosed advertisers! (Like I said, they aren't stupid! lol)

Below, Cutt's says they are going to be "a little bit stronger on enforcement on advertorials that violate our quality guidelines." If they really mean it, then they would and will go after the obvious big guys, but my guess is that is it more scare tactics for the little folk. 

Matt Cutts"We have also been looking at Advertorials that is native advertising that violate quality guidelines, so again, if someone pays for coverage or an ad, those ads should NOT flow PR, we have seen a few sites in the US and around the world that take money that do link to websites and do pass PageRank. So we will be looking at some efforts to be a little bit stronger on enforcement on advertorials that violate our quality guidelines. (Dori: I just gave you one example! We sill be watching. :-)

Now there is nothing wrong with advertorials or native advertising but they should not flow PageRank and there should be clear and conspicuous disclosures so users realize that something is paid and is not organic or editorial."


So bottom line with the Cutt's Video is that linking is still working or they wouldn't be going after it, AND, for those of you that don't think paid links work or it is just the scummy BlackHatter's doing it, you may want to think again. 

I DO think we are going to see another annihilation round with the next Penguin Update, but after last years folly the guys that are doing the quick churn and burn know exactly what they are doing and are laughing at us that they got away with it for 8 months!;-)

Onward and Upward!

Dori Friend :-)

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  • Tom
    Tom says #
    I 100% agree with your first comment. Yes Cutts is just the friendly Opie like face they place on the company, it's a face you wan...
  • Neil
    Neil says #
    I see websites still ranking on Page 1 of Google and those websites have obvious spam & self-created backlink profiles but still t...
  • Reuben O
    Reuben O says #
    Absurd! Those Google guys are out to destroy SEO that is obvious. Juat imagine this: 1. 1237 Blogroll Site Wide Links from 4 domai...
  • Steve Patterson
    Steve Patterson says #
    well i am sorry to say its like the usa + uk governments all the rich can do what the hell they like , and screw the little person...
  • TestUser
    TestUser says #
    I could believe that each update there is a little more effective theme based filtering on the link downstream but this is spot on...
  • Hendri
    Hendri says #
    Thanks Dori for the knowledge! great article about Google's pet Hendri...
  • SEOMOJO
    SEOMOJO says #
    Having a algorithm to punish linking is destroying the internet. Yes paid links maybe..but there are a lot of people being punishe...
  • Mike
    Mike says #
    Great post Dori. Thank you for the analysis and your insightful comments.
  • Brian Parnall
    Brian Parnall says #
    Excellent post Dori... It's what I tell my students, LISTEN TO WHAT CUTT's isn't saying :-)
  • Bruce Smeaton
    Bruce Smeaton says #
    Hey Dori Wow! you deserve a Pulitzer Prize for the quality of your articles!!! This one has to rank as one of your best ever - an...
  • Kim Nguyen
    Kim Nguyen says #
    It's like the war on drugs - the big dealers always win - no matter how much enforcement gov is trying to disrupt. get away with f...
  • Laura Betterly
    Laura Betterly says #
    Great analysis Dori. You are one of the smartest SEO's I know.
  • Joel
    Joel says #
    Nice post Dori, the NY Times example would seem to point out the hypocrisy of Google. Is it your assertion that a good plan of ...
  • Girish
    Girish says #
    you just nailed it , especially with biggies selling/buying links. Bottom line, what goog says not to do , should be understood a...
  • Move Up Local Marketing
    Move Up Local Marketing says #
    I agree 100% been that way for a long time. Sure some of what MC says is true some of the time but for the most part...

State of SEO 2013

Posted by Dori Friend
Dori Friend
SEO Geek. Dori Friend is the head and founder of SEONitro. She is the go to SEO
User is currently offline
on Monday, 07 January 2013
in SEO Industry News

The below presentation was my introduction to the Incredible SEORockstar's Summit. I put a perspective on SEO, what has changed, and where we go from here. Enjoy!

 Hopefully Google won't ban my YouTube account for it! lol;-)

 

  00:00 SEORockstars Intro
  02:30 What is SEORockstars About
  06:00 State of SEO - The old way can be very detrimental
  06:50 Bit of SEO History
  08:15 Deja vu! - History repeats itself
  09:00 What Happened in 2012
  12:00 Panda 3.3 and the gravity of it, Penguin precursor
  13:00 Industry Wide Deindexing
  14:30 Google Revealing Comment!
  16:00 Negative SEO?
  16:20 Penguin
  17:05 What Google considers White and Black hat SEO
  18:50 Outrage in the aftermath - how good they?
  19:15 First study that gives indication of what exactly happened! <--very important
    -Link Anchor Text Density
    -Link Relevance Density
    -Link Type Density
  25:00 Basic Algorithm
  26:45 New Road Map for 2013
  30:46 Google New Patent to Combat SEO
  32:46 What Happens to "Rank Modifiers"
  34:14 Google's Definition of SEO (it is NOT my definition and probably not yours!)
  35:40 SEO is Against Google's Terms and Conditions
  36:00 Why Would Google Do This? <--important to consider
  38:00 Be a point "B"
  41:04 Figuring Out Google is What "WE" DO!
     
     

 

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  • CM Burns
    CM Burns says #
    Hey Dori - You Rock! Best, most accurate seo info out there. Ok, So now that I have that out of the way I am dying for 2 pieces ...
  • Whitney Michael Segura
    Whitney Michael Segura says #
    Great stuff Dori, it's good to see people actually publishing up to date advice on 2013 SEO, especially SEM with Google.com. I've...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Thanks for all the nice comments! I love it! :-) And yep, Whitney, re-inventing is the name of the game, I have some more test re...
  • Steve
    Steve says #
    Great stuff. Look forward to more insights.
  • Elan London
    Elan London says #
    Thanks so much for sharing this Dori. Valuable info for 2013. Received another email from you a couple of days ago, 'SEO in 2013, ...
  • Donald D. Dolenec
    Donald D. Dolenec says #
    Dori Your stuff is always Gold You are the Queen and Master of SEO I agree with you TEST, TEST So many people out there try to blo...
  • Dude
    Dude says #
    What presentation? There's no video on the page. Also, I'd love to know the state of SEO in 2113...but I think 2013 would be more...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Man, I was "just" putting it up! It is there now! lol

"Black Hat" Notices From Google?

Posted by Dori Friend
Dori Friend
SEO Geek. Dori Friend is the head and founder of SEONitro. She is the go to SEO
User is currently offline
on Tuesday, 04 December 2012
in SEO Industry News

Google Guy Matt Cutts just uploaded a video to try to "debunk" the myth that they sent out over 700,000 un-natural link notices.

He says that over 600,0000 of THOSE notices were for "black hat!" And only about 25k were for UN-natural linking the myth that they sent out over 700,000 un-natural link notices.

He says that over 600,0000 of THOSE notices were for "black hat!" And only about 25k were for UN-natural linking. Here is the video.

 
Matt Cutts on Black Hat Notices While Wearing a Panda T-Shirt. What a ________ (you fill in the blank).


So I am wondering... what the heck does THAT "Black Hat" message look like?

We sure have a TON of examples of the famous "UN-Natrual" link notice but where are the "black hat" notice examples? What do they look like?  What do they say?

If you got one, please post it here!

But I am thinking most Black Hatter's don't put their sites in Google WebMaster Tools so those notices to them probably went unread! I mean, come on, if you were doing Black Hat, would YOU put your site in the cross-hairs of Google? I know I wouldn't and didn't! lol

So, I thought, ok, let's see if one of my de-indexed blogs got a notice, so I found one that was still up (no content on it any longer) and see if it had gotten a notice. And sure enough, it did! But there is NOTHING in this letter that says anything about Black Hat!

Black Hat Notice From Google

 
So if this is the notice he is referring to, and they sent them out to all the blog network sites, then that would mean there were about 600,000 sites that were doing the "grievous" job of ranking those 25k customers? LOL

My old networks only account for 20k of those, and as far as I know, I lost the most, so who else got hit in large quantities? Or was it just thousands smaller network owners? But then again, can we ever believe what comes out of Matt Cutts? Let me know what YOU think below. And please, if you got a message in Jan--March that wasn't a Link Notice, let's see it!

cheers,

Dori Friend

p.s. And how totally uncool he would wear a Panda t-shirt on one of these videos! The below comment says it all and I totally agree..

"I really don't think it is very funny the wearing of penguin and panda stuff. People have been drastically hurt and business destroyed by these updates. In many cases I have seen the webmaster doing nothing at all wrong with the websites from a algorithm perspective." -Jaan Kanellis 

And for that, Matt wins the ___________ award! Again, you can fill in the blank! http://seosmurfs.com/

p.s.s. Now for the "Shameless Plug." SeoNitro's Network is Closed to new people, but we are making buffer site networks to help keep your money sites safe. Click on the graphic below for more details on Buffer Site Networks.

buffer sites

 

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  • Survival Blog
    Survival Blog says #
    Things are very open and intensely clear explanation of issues. was truly information. Your website is very beneficial. Appreciate...
  • www.legalherbalonline.com/
    www.legalherbalonline.com/ says #
    You could certainly see your enthusiasm in the work you write. The world hopes for more passionate writers such as you who aren’t ...
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    Dave says #
    Can someone please tell me why I get Google advertisements half way down the page when I conduct a search. I thought this was the ...
  • leo
    leo says #
    love this post dori, thanks for the info. you doing a good job.
  • steve
    steve says #
    Ya, all my site dead since April 26, because of the quality issues. I believe the Big will dead in one day.
  • Dave allen
    Dave allen says #
    Dori...Good eye.... There is no service that can help you. Once tainted your done.....I am leaving one site up, and 1 site with G...
  • Chaz Key
    Chaz Key says #
    @ Dave, Not true... "Once tainted your done....." As for a service, never tried one. I have had projects targeted more than once, ...
  • Sean Rasmussen
    Sean Rasmussen says #
    Matt Cutts throats. Oh yeah, and Google's got too big for their own boots - lol
  • John Moore
    John Moore says #
    I too received the same notice that Simon received. I was participating in many of hte popular blog networks for quite some time, ...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Hey John, I have not heard of "1" penalty being removed from a site that was hit with an un-natural link notice, so I would LOVE ...
  • andre
    andre says #
    Great Article, Dori :-) Google natural search has become too much to handle! if I link bad links to your site, will you be banned?...
  • Nina
    Nina says #
    Google Webmaster Tools notice of detected unnatural links to http://www.seosmurfs.com April 13, 2012 Dear site owner or webmaster ...
  • annony
    annony says #
    Dear site owner or webmaster of http://www........./, We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that ...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Thanks for submitting, but that too is an un-natural link notice, I am looking for the "black hat" notice that Matt is talking abo...
  • Dave allen
    Dave allen says #
    p.s To date I have asked for reconsideration 10 times for each site...All have replied with an automated message that I still hav...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    If it does help, please let me know.
  • Tried it
    Tried it says #
    It does not
  • Dave allen
    Dave allen says #
    I got one also. On 3 of my sites. On March 23rd 2012. I went over to the Google webmaster forum where they direct you to go.....an...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Hey Dave, I certainly know that pain of waking up in March to Google's dirty work. This is more proof to avoid Google Webmaster to...
  • Ben Coleman
    Ben Coleman says #
    Thanks for another really good post, Dori! Love Bing's new marketing. Yes, I've been Scroogled! http://www.scroogled.com...
  • Timbo
    Timbo says #
    So does this mean we can now get rid of the competition with bad backlinking?
  • Media Amsterdam
    Media Amsterdam says #
    This is a great article you wrote Dori thanks for showing us the way! We think that Google is cool and still a marketleader. But t...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    email me at support@seonitro.com :-)
  • JJ
    JJ says #
    And for that, Matt wins the ___________ award!---douche
  • Quiteman
    Quiteman says #
    I got destroyed too. Perhaps Matt would like to send my kids one of those shirts for Christmas. How distasteful can you be?! Goog...
  • Reuben
    Reuben says #
    Well said buddy. This is bad taste from Mr. Big MC from the big "G". Since my major money sites are down and my children will be e...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Welcome Reuben! And yeah, buffer sites and just doing it different in 2013!
  • Chaz Key
    Chaz Key says #
    I got this message, for the first reconsideration request... Now keep inmind, I got this message after somebody tried to Google Bo...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Please share your algorithm blasting methods!!
  • Chaz Key
    Chaz Key says #
    It's coming Dori... I stumbled onto something I have always been doing for years, just wasn't paying attention. Started with an ac...
  • Eric Burnett
    Eric Burnett says #
    This is a great article and I've received alot of value from it. Thanks for Sharing. Eric
  • Rob
    Rob says #
    Ah what a jerk, I didn't realize he was wearing that shirt when I watched this yesterday. Any yes I'm one of the business owners ...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    I know right! Unbelievable!
  • Simon
    Simon says #
    This is one I got on one of my domains! Dear site owner or webmaster of http://xxxxxxx.com We've detected that some of your site'...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Thanks Simon, but that looks like a Un-natural Link notice (artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site) and he says only ...

Interview With ME. :-)

Posted by Dori Friend
Dori Friend
SEO Geek. Dori Friend is the head and founder of SEONitro. She is the go to SEO
User is currently offline
on Thursday, 02 August 2012
in SEO Industry News

Lisa Parmley of InlineSEO.com asked to do an interview with me, so I had so much fun ranting about Google, I thought I would post it here so we can all either rant together, or argue about what is coming next! LOL

Here it is..


 Lisa: Hi, I really appreciate you taking the time to give me an interview. That was really nice of you to reply to my email so quickly! I asked a few questions here, I know my readers would be interested in as much detail as you're willing to share. 

Q. I know you've been doing SEO for a long time, exactly when did you first get started running an online business?

Well, I have been online since 93’ and my first email address was This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it which was Apple Computer’s internal email network (I use to work for them) but my FIRST online business was in 2000 and it was called TheLogoGuru.com but I got so enamored with Internet Marketing after attending an industry seminar in 2001 I just drifted away from that business and went head first into SEO and have never looked back.

Q. If you're willing to share it, what was the first business idea you put together?

Back in 1985 when the MAC came out (and yes that dates me! Lol) I was heavily into HyperCard, which was the FIRST piece of software that used “hyperlinks.” (can you imagine? Lol) I created a product called MACINFO.

It was just a directory of Macintosh products of the day but the novel thing was that you could “link” and “jump” around and get to information you wanted, so it was non-linear, which WAS pretty novel at the time! lol.

Two MORE novel things about that that first product was ..

1) I was sent a cease and desist letter for using “hyperlinks” by the guy who had the patent on it (Apple squashed that pretty quick) and,

2) at the first HyperCard conference where I was showing my wares, my booth was next to the guys who did a pretty cool animated product that eventually turned into the best selling game “Mist!”  

 

Q. Did you start out with SEO right away as your favorite source of traffic?

Actually, I think I started out buying PPC traffic for TheLogoGuru, But in 2002 I had gotten heavily into SEO with a buddy of mine. Together, we created a piece of software that let us put sites and content up in MASS!

This is in the day when on-page optimization was all you needed, so it was typical for us to put up 50k page sites and crank in long tail traffic in hordes! We had been doing well with affiliate stuff at Commission Junction but when Adsense came to town, it quadrupled our income almost overnight and we dance a jig for 3 years on that business model! ;-)

So yeah, you could say SEO was my favorite source of traffic right from the start. :-)

 

Q. Compared to what getting top rankings were like when you first got started, what do you see as the biggest changes to SEO over the last decade?

Wow, well, the biggest “change(s)” I have seen in that last decade have all happened in the last 6 months! I mean, things are always changing, SEO has always been a moving target even on a good day, but the last 6 months have been just horrendously HUGE. But since the infamous “Florida” update, things changed at a lower pace then what has just happened to the industry.

And those gosh awful “un-natural link notices!” Oye!

It is almost like we are turning full circle back to 2003-04 where on-page optimization counts as much as incoming links.

From about 2007 to six months ago, I didn’t give a squat about ANYTHING on-page! I could rank what I wanted just by using inbound links.

Even, if there was NO content on the page let alone “quality” content! Lol (that by the way was another HUGE myth Google had everyone chasing for years, that content was king, cause back then in SEO, LINKS were KING, period! ) And to some extent they still are, but Google has really up’ed their game so now there is an ever-increasing amount of variables that we didn’t seem to have to pay as much attention to back then. And, on-page is back.

I had always paid attention to title tags, but now we have to really pay attention to ad to content ratios, bounce rate, time on site, inner linking over optimization and an entire line up of Panda disqualifiers.

Off-page, we are calculating things like “link density” and “referral ratios” for the first time. This is stuff we (or I should say “I”) would never give the time of day before.

 

Q. Do you have any funny stories of ranking? Like a site you built that should have never ranked, but was getting out-of-control awesome rankings in the search engines? Would you care to share what top rankings for a particular key phrase or phrases have meant to you in terms of money?

OMG I have some GREAT ones right now!! But unfortunately I can’t share with your reader’s cause the data is reserved for my workshop attendees in September, but I will say this, it goes against, everything Google says is true. Crazy insane stuff even “I” didn’t believe until I saw it with my own eyes!

But, as far as rankings for super killer keywords go?

I have had my share of page one monster terms, like “blinds,” “payday loans,”  “cover letter,” “area rugs,” “slipcovers,” “weight loss,” etc.. But it is my SeoNitro clients that REALLY hit them and of course I can’t share those, but I do have a funny story about one that a customer was trying to hit for a killer keyword.

It was for the keyword “Toner.”

I was sitting at the bar (which I do lol) at one of the industry events and was talking to this guy next to me and he asked me my name and I said, Dori. He then said, “oh, do you know a gal named Dori Friend?” and I said, “well as a matter of fact.. I do.” Lol

He then preceded to give me a 30 minute dissertation on Dori Friend’s system SeoNitro and how it didn’t get his site to page one for “Toner” after a couple of months and so he angrily quit and signed up with Brian Horn (whom by the way is actually a friend of mine, in my seo mastermind group and will be speaking at my event in September!) and that Brain was SO amazing he ranked his site on page one in the matter of weeks.

I listened to EVERYTHING he had to say and took it ALL in! I mean how often to you get a customer’s viewpoint like that, it was SO unfiltered! Remember, we were AT the bar and this guy was drinking!! Lol

And then, I paused and looked at him, and I said, “You DO know I AM Dori Friend right?” Lol And, OMG he turned 50 shades of purple!! LOL it was actually pretty funny. He really didn’t put together that I was THAT Dori! Lol He felt SO bad for saying all the things he said about me not knowing it was me but I just thanked him! It was actually the best “take home” from that event for me!

Then later, I then went up to Brian and ask him how in the hell did he rank that guy so fast for “toner” and he said, “Not much.. you had already done all the heavily lifting for me!”

And THAT is SEO for ya! Ya win some, ya lose some! LOL

Q. It seems to me that Google is really learning toward brands, almost every health search I do anymore has webmd and the mayoclinic near the top. Do you think there's still room for the little guys (and girls)? And if so what's the best strategy for them?

Yeah, when this all started, SEO gave the little guy a chance to compete and more often out compete the BIG Corporations. And THAT is what really made SEO so fun and exciting!  For the first time, small business were able to show up on the national level and bring in customers from all over the world.

It totally gave the middle class a bump and I don’t understand how Eric Schmidt, (Google’s CEO) can go on record for “being” for small businesses, when it is obvious that they just kicked small business’s teeth in!

Even Google’s poster child for Adsense, “AsktheBuilder.com” has come out to say Google’s changes have nearly destroyed their business. And these are the guys Google gave us as a THE example for a great Adsense Model.

So, room for the little guy?

Yes, I believe so. We just have to “look” like the big guy now! Remember, GoogleBot is still just a spider sending back information to the mother-ship. So, the game is the same as it always has been, to feed the BOT whatever flavor of the day it is.  LOL

Q. What do you think are the top mistakes small business owners are making when it comes to getting high rankings?

In no particular order..

-wasting time taking links down because they got an un-natural linking notice
-linking “just” to their homepage
-linking with the same anchor text over and over again (over optimization on exact match terms)
-not linking to their site using their Brand and URL in the anchor text
-not linking to their inner pages (which coincides to many just to home page)
-not paying attention to on-page optimization (never thought I would be saying THAT! Lol)
-listening to Google

Q. What are your top 3 methods for getting links?

1) Blog Networks (of course) lol
2) Press Releases (which  FYI for the exception of about 145 major news pick-ups you can get with the $200 paid release at PRWeb, news sites are really just glorified blog networks)
3) Fiverr

Q. You're so tapped into the SEO industry; I bet you can give some pretty good predictions.  Where do you see the SEO industry in 2 years?

Well I don’t know if you can listen to me on predictions! LOL Cause I would of never in a million years predicted the things Google has just done to the industry in such a short amount of time. But, ok, I will give it a stab. LOL

I think by this time next year the SEO industry will have caught up with the changes that have occurred in the last 6 months and once again have a standard “best practices” that work and work well again. We are coming really close to this already through all the testing we have been doing.

Then give it anther year to hit the two year mark and Google will probably do another switcheroo on us! Lol

And at the same time, I think more emphasis will be placed on multiple methods of generating free traffic with social media being at the forefront of that.

Q. What about 5 years?

I hope we will see the emergence of another significant search engine (or multiple) diluting Google’s current monopoly and ability to somewhat “control” the industry.

But Bing/Yahoo is slowly increasing in market share and then there the development of verticals like YouTube and Facebook. We don’t really see them so much as “search engines” now, but YouTube already generates a TON of free traffic from internal keyword searches for those who are ranking “just” in YouTube, so I think this is one of the types of venue of free traffic I mentioned above we will be seeing more SEO attention placed on.

Q. What are your predictions for Google Plus? Is it worth the typical small business owner's time to get started on it or will it fizzle out?

Jury is still out. Lol

But, right NOW, I see more of a SEO factor to ranking on Google with Facebook shares and likes. And, that could change, that is just at THIS moment in time a TON of Google Plus’s seems to be over optimizing a bit so I wouldn’t go hog wild on getting them but instead focus Facebook shares and likes and probably more on shares.

Q. Google will supposedly come out with a link disavow tool.  If so are you going to suggest people who've gotten unnatural links warnings to use it sparingly or just disavow pretty much everything linking back to their site? 

Unless we have data that shows us that a webmaster regaining their rankings or show “any” type of improvement at all from using such a tool, I will say it’s a waste of time and don’t bother with it.

Now if such a tool does come out, we WILL test it and test the crap out of it to get our own data, and if I have to eat crow on the above statement, I will. Lol,

I just don’t put much credence into they un-natural linking hype. I just HAMMERED a site in one of my test using ONLY links from de-indexed blogs and I didn’t even GET the notice!! Talk about un-natural linking!! Lol So, until Google becomes more transparent to what that actually means, everyone who is reacting, is shooting in the dark.

Q. Do you trust what Matt Cutts says?

HAHAHA Trust? Hmm. Let’s say this, I trust that he has Google’s back (of course) and tows the line with industry rhetoric that places the fear of you know who into webmasters and plays them like a fiddle. Do I believe ANYTHING that comes out of his mouth? Mostly no. 

And like I said above, I have data that I would just LOVE to share with your readers, (but can’t) that goes directly against what Google and Matt Cutts tell us.

So, I will say this, learn how to read between the lines and “really,” only listen to test results rather then hear-say, EVEN (or ESPECIALLY) when it comes from the mother ship as THEY, like the rest of us, are looking out for numero uno. So unless you are a Google share holder (and a couple of my retired friends are! Lol) then that is NOT you, and is certainly not me! So test everything or become friends with people that DO.

And let me rant for a moment if you will.

Google was a start-up that depended on the grassroots efforts for publicity back in the day. They courted the SEO Professional. And it was the SEO Professional that in-part has been responsibly for Google’s success. We WERE the grassroots army that shouted from the rooftops to all offline business to GET ONLINE. Not only did we educate them on SEO we educated them on PPC. WE did that!! So for Google to come back and WACK us on the side of the head for continuing to do SEO is, well, incredibly distasteful and heartbreaking.

And for those who think you are “White Hat” and are a Google darling, think again. Except for making your site easier to crawl, ANYTHING you do to try to increase your rankings is considered “manipulating” the search engines and IS very much against Google’s terms and conditions!

So the very nature of SEO itself is now against Google’s terms and conditions!!

In a recent video I watch Matt Cutts say they weren’t against SEO and he then went on to explain the role of a SEO professional from “his” eyes.

What he described was a PPC, Conversion and Marketing expert. Three things I am NOT. Even though PPC is about traffic, it is NOT SEO and “conversion and marketing?” Paaaleese, those two, are NOT SEO!

And even though some SEO Professionals fit into the “Internet Marketing Professional” model and help small businesses out with all of that stuff, most of us JUST DO SEO, which equals going after and getting FREE TRAFFIC AND ORGANIC RANKINGS, plan and simple!

OK, stop me before I break something! Lol ;-)

Q. You've been a major player in the blog network arena (if not THE top player) and I know there has been a major shake-up. I'm sure you've got something cooking now like a better version of a blog network, or maybe even something completely different.  What can we expect to see from you in the future?

Oh yeah, lots in the popper! And yep, better versions of blog networks OF COURSE, lol, as they are STILL work and they STILL work very well. And actually, since everyone is busy taking “down” their links (which I believe is doing more harm then good for them) we are having an easier time ranking new sites! 

I am also building private networks for customers and will probably eventually create a monthly site package so people who can’t afford the pretty big chunk of change it costs to buy the sites for a major network, can grow it gradually.

I also have a super ninja Advanced SEO Workshop happening in September which is actually turning into a major SEO Event. J

Because I have most of the guys from my elite SEO Mastermind group (which by the way we all pay $2k a year to be in it, so it isn’t your average popsicle, Perry Belcher, Keith Baxter and Brian Horn put it together and pulled in best of the best in all areas of SEO!) the brain power in the room (and in the bar lol ;-) is going to be like no other SEO event that has ever been held. I am pretty excited for it!

And last but not least, we are also working on some tools. The first one to come out will be http://www.linkdensity.com which I built because “I” needed to know my anchor text link density and not tool was reporting it yet.

It was strange cause I felt something happening with links last year, so I actually had an earlier version of this that I was using last November. But now that it has become industry significant to NOT over-optimize your anchor text link density, I decided to fancy up the tool and release it.

It is still in beta and is still free right now, but probably won’t be for long as it costs a bundle in processing and pulling API information on all those links we are analyzing.

And then after all that, maybe.. I will go to Disneyland! ;-)

Again, thank-you so much for taking the time to answer these questions! I know my visitors will get a lot out of it.

Sincerely,

Lisa

 

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  • Tom Coleman
    Tom Coleman says #
    Hi Dori, Just found you and man what a discovery. You are fantastic. Since I don't test everything, how do I get to be a friend of...
  • Pete
    Pete says #
    Thanks for posting such an informative interview Dori. It has helped to reinforce some of my thoughts. Plus, learned a few new t...
  • Ron Passfield
    Ron Passfield says #
    Dori, I have hundreds of links to my website with the same anchor text because they are generated by my profile signature at the e...
  • Michael
    Michael says #
    Great interview Dori. You're the SEO queen ...
  • Laura Betterly
    Laura Betterly says #
    I love you Dori--spot on (as always)
  • Masetty
    Masetty says #
    Lot of facts you expressed in this interview are all right. Finally we have to optimize our site in the view of visitors only. Whi...
  • Thi Nguyen
    Thi Nguyen says #
    Hey Dori, This mastermind group workshop is a great idea. Any chance you might make it available to the rest of the world? Do a t...
  • Unnatural Links
    Unnatural Links says #
    hey Dori, what do you think of this? http://www.unnaturallinks.com
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    HAHA, that was great!!! LOL and LOVE the domain name!! I can't believe I didn't think of that!! :-)
  • Mark
    Mark says #
    UnNaturalLinks, thanks I needed that laugh. That was really funny. Glad I scrolled down . . . .
  • Donald D. Dolenec
    Donald D. Dolenec says #
    Dori God is going to send you to hell...little god Matt Cutts Just had to rib you. I put what his says very very high. AND DO THE ...
  • Unnatural Links
    Unnatural Links says #
    hey Don, thought you might like my comment below :-)
  • David Eisner
    David Eisner says #
    Learned a lot. Thank you, Dori.
  • A Dreamer
    A Dreamer says #
    Great interview. I always love your posts however I like that section where you mentioned the emergence of some other search engin...
  • Mia
    Mia says #
    Dori, I really appreciate your candid responses in this interview! It's always refreshing to read your posts because your informa...
  • George
    George says #
    Excellent stuff from Dori as ever. I generally find it has served me well not to believevwhat Google says and I an fed up with Goo...
  • Greg Hughes
    Greg Hughes says #
    Excellent interview, Dori. Very helpful. Thanks for posting. (Hey, I built HyperCard stacks too back in the 80's when I lived in S...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Wow, you too! lol HyperCard was so fricken cool!
  • Craig
    Craig says #
    As usual Dori, I appreciate your comments and your wisdom. This game is getting tougher all the time so it's refreshing to hear fr...
  • Alex Newell
    Alex Newell says #
    That was a superb interview. Dori how about you going to interview Lisa about Authority sites - Lisa's latest product?...
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    Dori Friend says #
    Great Idea!! :-)
  • Andrew
    Andrew says #
    Awesome Dori. Great interview!

Panda 3.8 Refresh

Posted by Dori Friend
Dori Friend
SEO Geek. Dori Friend is the head and founder of SEONitro. She is the go to SEO
User is currently offline
on Thursday, 28 June 2012
in SEO Industry News

Panda 3.8 rolled out on Monday, June 25th.

Even though there were some rumblings of ranking changes
over the weekend, Google swears they didn't roll it out
until Monday.

Did this impact you?

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  • SEO Orange County consultants offer the most powerful internet marketing strategy for your online business
    SEO Orange County consultants offer the most powerful internet marketing strategy for your online business says #
    The blog is absolutely fantastic with lots of great information and inspiration that we all need.Thanks for sharing information ab...
  • News and Information
    News and Information says #
    Dori, I also had several of my own sites hit very hard. A few wereranking on first page of Goo for 10-12 months for several relate...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Where these sites hit last Monday with Panda 3.8 and had been ranking the previous 10-12 months?
  • Tyler
    Tyler says #
    Learning a lot from the Panda course offered in part 2 of your webinars.. and interestingly enough, since Panda deals with site qu...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Well, Panda 3.3 specified a linking change and that is when a lot of my customers were hit, so I believe Panda does have linking p...
  • Online autoverzekering berekenen
    Online autoverzekering berekenen says #
    Absolutely terrible. All my free social sites are outranking my money site now.
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    OMG! I feel you pain! And makes us all wonder what Google is doing when stuff like this happens. Check your link density at http:/...
  • HB
    HB says #
    I wouldn't know because I have been busy building back links and moderating the existing ones over which I have control. Some of m...
  • Don Dolenec
    Don Dolenec says #
    Dori I did not get hit but i have heard local sites have been moving. I think Google does not know what to do..I agree with the bi...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    WOW Don!! Thanks for sharing THAT!! And everyone take NOTE! That is a very good step-by-step right there!! :-)
  • Saqib Khan
    Saqib Khan says #
    Hey Dori. I haven't really seen any changes. Will be keeping an eye out as time goes on.
  • Dave
    Dave says #
    Dori, All my customer's sites are representing brick and mortar businesses. I didn't see any significant rank changes that could n...
  • Kim
    Kim says #
    We had started to get some ranking back for some of our SEO clients - so we were pretty excited beginning of last week, but as of ...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Oh that hurts! Looks like normal seo was helping but then panda came and did it's thing like it does! Check your on-page optimizat...
  • CJ
    CJ says #
    My exact match domain sites improved pretty dramatically for their EMD keywords. Other keywords decreased in rankings however. Tha...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Thanks CJ, I have been noticing EMD dominance as well lately. They get a LOT more leeway in linking!
  • Boris
    Boris says #
    I see some of my sites' pages are up some down, the fluctuation on average about 15 positions. I have noticed a trend where my mos...
  • Bill
    Bill says #
    Isn't that the truth. The big guys didn't seem to have to work for it. One day there they were on page one, usually at the top. Wh...
  • Tom
    Tom says #
    I have been reworking my sites for the Panda/Peguin updates with some success. Since Monday things appear to have become more stab...
  • Shane
    Shane says #
    Hi Dori, I got smashed, across my site down 3-5 pages, The only thing I had changed since the last refresh was I installed SEO sma...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Interesting about the SEO smart links plugin! Let us know what happens. Thx!
  • Steve Thibeault
    Steve Thibeault says #
    Got a slight bump on Monday (25th) and then started to fade downward. However, the down tick is still higher than pre-Monday and ...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    You welcome!! And yeah, I was glad I spent the money on it too!! lol :-)
  • Nick
    Nick says #
    I don't see any changes on my sites and sites of my clients ??

Panda/Penguin Case Study: Old SEO Haunts Us

Posted by Dori Friend
Dori Friend
SEO Geek. Dori Friend is the head and founder of SEONitro. She is the go to SEO
User is currently offline
on Wednesday, 06 June 2012
in SEO Industry News

 

Sometimes our old ways come back to haunt us. I know they haunt me!!

For SO long I said that content did NOT matter! It was certainly NOT king, and I couldn't give a rats a** about it! I spouted that for about 5 years and even said with a chuckle "it may come back to haunt me. lol"

Well, it has, as those days are here as I now sit at my computer doing "on-page" competitive analysis, something I wouldn't of have even considered this time last year! 

So, how many things are YOU still doing things that can be haunting you and possibly killing your site and you don't even know it?

Here is an interesting case study that had me a bit stumped at first glance. Why did he take such a beating in the rankings lately.  As you can see in the screen shot below, my client was scoring higher (except for social signals) than everyone who was ranking for his keyword!

So, I headed on over to SEMRush in order to get an idea of when his traffic dropped, which might give me a clue to what algorithm change he might have been hit with. (NOTE: This site represents a real business with original content.)

 

 

The chart above tells me that he was hit by panda 2.5. No one really knows what algorithmic changes were changed on that one, but if you look at the chart below, you can see that his competitors were hit as well. The only difference is that he was also hit by Panda 3.3, but they were NOT!

 

 

So, I dug a little deeper into his off-page density stats and found out his link density was way OVER THE TOP for the his main keyword "NLP", which was probably hurting all of his other keywords with the term "NLPN in it.

(NOTE: NLP stands for Neuro-linguistic programming which is an approach to communication, personal development and psychotherapy created in the 1970s.)

 

 

And once again, here is another site that has a "Dead Link" ratio that is pretty high.

 

 

Of course, my advice, at this point, was to get his dead links down to 20% or lower and same for the keyword NLP (10% would be even better) and to get his brand/url links up, up, up to 20-30%

(NOTE: Just so you know, I am making these anchor link density recommendations on the premise of what the other sites in this market, for this particular keyword, are doing. In the video you will see the percentage as high as 17% for "NLP training" for the competition. I am making the 20% recommendation for getting his dead links down too and his brand links up to what I have seen from doing dozens of other competitive analysis', thus am generalizing on those two, as of yet I do not have a link type analysis on the competition, which is in process, but was not available at time of this publishing)

So, that gave me three pretty big flags to make recommendations on, but I still wasn't sure if THAT was all that was going on, as the other sites link density wasn't a TON better.  So, I kept digging.

I do know from Eric Lancheres findings that anything with a bounce rate of 55% or higher is going to have a tough time ranking on the first page for any decent term and I didn't know my customers bounce rate so I decided to go look at his site to see how if I could get any clues from it.

What I found was, with all due respect, something that wasn't very compelling for me to get in and click on or even go deeper into the site.  It also had duplicate images and static navigation, Two no no's post panda!

 

 

 

 

Now, I do want to mention that the site owner is in the middle of a site redesign and I don't know which of the above is new or old or if they are both old.  So, he could be getting all his on-site post panda kinks all worked out, but..

THEN I FOUND THIS!

After going through his site, testing other things, I came upon a resource menu on the bottom of his home page that had 11 small numbered links going to inner pages. Guess what I found?

A LINK FARM!

 

 

It may have been considered "reciprocal linking" back in the day or even a very cool three-way link "scheme", but make no doubt about it, having this many out going links to non-themed sites is what unfortunately Google would now probably consider a "link farm."

And it gets worse.

All of those links use content (for link descriptions) that have been duplicated over and over again.  So, his site is, unbeknownst to him, not only a link farm, it is a content farm as well. So, a Panda triple whammy!

  1. Over optimized link density
  2. Spam: housing a link/content farm that creates a high ratio of outbound links, which can also link to bad neighborhoods
  3. Duplicate Content: a BIG Panda no no

And remember Panda is a "site-wide" algorithmic qualifier.  So, and this is important, it doesn't hurt just one page, it hurts them ALL!

So my simple note to him?


If you like this article and if it helped you then please, share it, like it and tweet it! Much Appreciated! :-)

And..

If you are willing to get your site hammered by my hound dog Panda/Penguin recovery analysis team and then be publicly flogged by my findings, then by all means, let me at it!

However, it ain't cheap to get kicked in the pants and bound to the whipping post. lol At a cool $1k, you could get a VERY good bottle of wine or a fabulous dinner for 2, but if you are thinking that is a lot of money and are having a hard time making rent or your mortgage, you probably want to pass no matter how much you think my analysis is what you need to get back in the game.

There are NO guarantees in seo, especially now, and you would be better off watching the rich guys get hammered and learning what you can from their beatings and then apply to your sites.

On another note don't forget I am holding an Advanced SEO Training in September where I am not only going to to this type of stuff until everything in my brain is in your brain, I am also going to teach you how to build your very own link network with my proprietary software that let's you set it and forget it! That is until Google changes it's mind again about what signals it wants. But, this time you will be ready because you will have ALL of your links in your OWN CONTROL!

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  • Henry Zeng
    Henry Zeng says #
    Hi Dori, I totally agree with your opinion that to raise up brand/url ratios when rank in Google. However I still see sites that ...
  • Mellow
    Mellow says #
    Thankyou for the case study Dori. I have two questions. 1. What is the best free backlink analysis tool to check your sites anc...
  • Brad
    Brad says #
    Fantastic information Dori. Always appreciate your posts. They are so useful. I have a lot of work to do now. Thanks
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Heck yeah it has value and a ton of it! Not only am I using it for normal seo linking but also Panda/Penguin recovery to.. 1...
  • Guy
    Guy says #
    Does SEOLinkMonster have any value, or do you guys recommend staying away from it period?
  • Peter
    Peter says #
    Hi Dori, I bought SEOLinkMonster, but quit within the refund period for obvious reasons. However I was very attracted by your buy...
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    Dori Friend says #
    I agree about Google, it makes it really frustrating that they have the monopoly on search so what "they" say goes! My workshop is...
  • David
    David says #
    Did your client recover after following your advice?
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    I just gave him the advice the same day I posted this, and I don't even know if he has watched the video I made for him! lol, but ...
  • Dennys
    Dennys says #
    Dori, as always, great stuff. I appreciate you taking the time and keeping us SEO 3rd graders informed on what you're seeing out ...
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    robert says #
    lol im with joe, all that trouble to blur your clients site but on the sem rush image its clear as day ;-) thanks for a great pos...
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    Dori Friend says #
    My Bad!
  • Roger
    Roger says #
    Hi Dori, Thanks for the great post. I am puzzling over one of my clients sites at the moment trying to work out if it has been h...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Panda has been known and is believed to affect the whole site for some factors. I have seen over optimized exact match anchor text...
  • Roger
    Roger says #
    Hi Dori, Well problem solved. I received a message from Google today via webmaster tools saying "Google Webmaster Tools notice o...
  • Roger
    Roger says #
    Think this may have been caused when I tried out Linxboss last year! I am busy now trying to build some quality links....
  • Ben
    Ben says #
    Roger, Did you remove your Linxboss links? Or are you just trying to get new links?
  • Roger
    Roger says #
    Hi Ben, I no longer have the account with Linxboss and I can't be sure that this is the problem. Not sure how I am going to remov...
  • Ben
    Ben says #
    RE: Google Webmaster Tools notice of unnatural links detected Roger, are you going to contact Google after you try to fix this pr...
  • Roger
    Roger says #
    Hi Ben, After further checks I have a large number of dead links so looks like I don't need to have any removed. I have read som...
  • Ben
    Ben says #
    Dori, what do you think? What percentage of your external links are dead links? Or do you have a lot of dead internal links (ie....
  • Roger
    Roger says #
    Used Link Detective which shows 56% external dead links.
  • Brian Parnall
    Brian Parnall says #
    Thanks for this case study Dori. Your right about your comment right at the beginning, you did always say content isnt king A f...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    I am in the process of testing that but I will say that a large amount of my customers on my networks swear they get better result...
  • Mark Harvey
    Mark Harvey says #
    Hi Dori, Thanks for a great post and a snap shot of what I'm in for in September. Looking forward to the 3 day event and networkin...
  • Wil
    Wil says #
    Dori: You wrote "What I found was, with all due respect, something that wasn't very compelling for me to get in and click on or ev...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Yes, Google can tell if an image is duplicated just by the "image" no matter what url you put it on. In the video I did for him, I...
  • Kim
    Kim says #
    You write to remove 'dead' links. How would you exactly do that?
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    No, I said, improve dead link ratio, which would entail getting more links. :-)
  • Mike
    Mike says #
    Hi Dori My site got hammered on April 19th. Not sure if that was Panda or Penguin. The site is about 8 years old and has a large ...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    If these links are industry related, then in theory they should be ok, BUT the caviot now is how much duplicate content is it putt...
  • Isaac
    Isaac says #
    Hi Dori, I first saw you with your blog network and I have to say I was disappointed, but since then I have been following you an...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Thanks Isaac. We took a beating with SeoLinkMonster as Google starting deindexing sites a week after we launched!! What timing! I ...
  • Tyler
    Tyler says #
    Another awesome article Dori. I appreciate you diving into a few other algorithm variables because there are a lot more than just ...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    I agree! :-)
  • Derek
    Derek says #
    can you explain the deadlinks better, are you referring to incoming links going to non existing pages any more? like 404 errors...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Hey Derek, no, I am referring to incoming links that were coming in at one time that are no longer incoming. Meaning, for whatever...
  • Misha
    Misha says #
    Dori, you are a genius! This link farm thingy very much may explain my struggle for the last year or so. And it turns out I have t...
  • Recent Articles
    Recent Articles says #
    Wonderful writing! Thanks Dori for your unselfish sharing. Now I know what to focus on to recover. After reading your earlier post...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    thumbs up!
  • Nick
    Nick says #
    This is a GREAT case study. BUT... if you have to spend THIS much time on research for a CHANCE to get on page 1 (for 1 single key...
  • Craig
    Craig says #
    Hi Dori, Thanks so much for this case study! I have great respect for your expertise and I'm glad you're posting these. They are ...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Hey Craig, you are right, and that is a problem but, nothing is dead on accurate so I work with what I have. I am actually build...
  • Craig
    Craig says #
    That's great news Dori! I see in another post that you're launching your new tool next week! I'm very excited for that. I've been...
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    Hawaiian GIrl says #
    I'm guilty of a couple of your points, including the "Resource Pages". Two of my sites got hammered but the other 2 didn't. The 2 ...
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    Dori Friend says #
    I don't know if you can ever get enough URL keyword anchor text, and yes, click here, visit, for more info, but I would also go fo...
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    Scott says #
    That looks like a certain "SEO friendly" site builder that sounds like MightQuiltit. I'm pretty sure you know what I'm talking abo...
  • Tamara
    Tamara says #
    Great study Dori! Yes, please do more! May I ask what the c-block ratio means?
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Sites are hosted on servers that normally purchased 1 C Block of IPs, or cClass Ips in a bunch of I believe 240 (something like th...
  • Sarah
    Sarah says #
    LOVE. IT!. Keep it up. (What's one of these analyses cost? I have a site that tanked pre-Panda, and I have no idea why.) Sarah...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Hey Sarah!! Normally I charge $1,000 but since you are a past attendee, just sent it over and I will take a look at it for ya! :-)...
  • Kim
    Kim says #
    Thanks for the great article! I have been following what you've posted and it's been really great. Question: Getting rid of dea...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Hi Kim, yes, if you don't have control over you incoming links so you can change the anchor text, you will need to build MORE link...
  • Ron
    Ron says #
    Nice case study Dori! Keep that up. By chance what tools did you use to find this info other than SEM Rush?
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Thanks Ron, I used.. -OpenSiteExplorer.org -SEMRush.com -LinkDetective.com -MajesticSEO.com -and my own link analysis tool that I ...
  • Rosari
    Rosari says #
    Hi Dori, Really deep analysis, My site got hit by Panda and Penguin too, but i do not have money to pay you for analysis , so I r...
  • Roger
    Roger says #
    Great write up. I am removing my 3-way links from an old site that was hit by panda. on 5/23 I opened a support ticket to ask if...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Hey Roger, Yeah, not good on your money site post panda for reason mentioned in the article. But Jon is a smart guy so he has to h...
  • MyLinkBuildingService
    MyLinkBuildingService says #
    Dori, Many thanks for one more excellent case study. Can you share from what service are results on first image in this post ?...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Yep, that was at opensiteexplorer.org, click the [+ Compare Pages] right below the field you put your URL in. :-)
  • Ann
    Ann says #
    Thanks Dori - Great article!!!
  • Jean-Michel
    Jean-Michel says #
    Hey Dori what can i have to learn better seo . I want to be one of the best guy in seo . Please help me.
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    A..well..there is my Advance SEO Workshop lol. And I know what y'all are thinking.. and NO I did not plant Jean-Michel to ask me...

Penguin Refresh

Posted by Dori Friend
Dori Friend
SEO Geek. Dori Friend is the head and founder of SEONitro. She is the go to SEO
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on Wednesday, 30 May 2012
in SEO Industry News

Did you see any change over the last couple of days in rankings?

Guys in my mastermind are telling me they got all improvements on it from sending 80% brand links to their clients sites. (means anchor text that just has the URL in it)

I myself, was doing a negative seo test and the site I was aiming at shot up to #2 for the term I was sending fiverr types links on, and it rose in all other positions for other keywords, so go figure. lol

And, remember that Yoast post that called Godaddy out on all those footer links they put on clients sites? Well, they are STILL ranking #3 for "web host."
http://yoast.com/godaddy-link-building/

No one really knows EXACTLY what metrics Penguin is dialing down, as it is really hard to tell since there are a couple of algorithmic cycles that are occurring and refreshes happen only once a month so testing takes an incredibly long time.

On one side we have the seo's that are certain that it is low quality links with excessive exact match anchor text,
http://www.webpronews.com/google-penguin-update-refresh-recovery-provide-hope-for-webmasters-2012-05
(This article is proof how important it is to be in control of your own links!!)

and on the other hand we have seo's that are certain it has nothing to do with linking at all.
http://www.senuke.com/blog/?p=276

What do YOU think?

I want to hear how it is effecting YOU! Please comment below!

cheers,
Dori

P.S. I have a Two-for-One Special this week on my Advanced SEO Workshop were we are diving into all of this with the latest test results in hand. I am also going to teach you how to build your own network so if you were like the guys in the webpronews article, you have complete control over you links and can turn them off at will!!

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    Dori you demonstrated a profound amount of clarity well before all these penguin updates began. I remember a webinar you did many ...
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Panda/Penguin Case Study Analysis

Posted by Dori Friend
Dori Friend
SEO Geek. Dori Friend is the head and founder of SEONitro. She is the go to SEO
User is currently offline
on Wednesday, 23 May 2012
in SEO Industry News

I have been asked a lot about what I think about the state of SEO, what others are saying about it, and if I think blog networks have a future.

And of course I do! Now more than ever. Google proved that by the massive de-indexing they did to the public ones. And, I am not alone on that thought.


But an even bigger and growing question, what do we do now?

First, because it is still really early since the recent Panda and Penguin updates, no one really knows "exactly" what to do (except for Google of course) as so many things have changed but there has been some great analytical data done on it in addition to the case studies I am going to share with you below. My personal favorite is MicroSiteMasters Is SEO Dead write-up on the Penguin, deriving at some interesting conclusions from looking at the data they had. (its a must read!)

I personally have been locked in my office for the last couple of weeks analyzing sites that ARE currently ranking against sites that have fallen and you know what, I have a sickening feeling that Google has played us like a fool. :-(

Let's start here..

 

There has been a TON of buzz going around about the what I would like to call the “Valentine’s Shake Down” and even though some people are reporting that their ranking are starting to come back, others are still down a couple spots or so, and others still, blown to the wood shed!

So, what happened?

On about Feb 7th rankings starting to rumble and it has sent SEO professionals (including me) into a frenzy trying to figure out what the heck was causing the decrease in rankings of seo’ed sites.  (And, we still don’t know for sure where the devalue is, but most will agree, there is a devaluing happening somewhere.)

So let’s start late last year…

Last November, there are numerous reports from bloggers letting us know that they heard Matt Cutts speak and Pubcon and he said that “some of the webspam engineers had been loaned out on other projects but since the completion of most, he is getting them back and there were two big projects they were working on.”

He was also reported to say that they will be taking a look at “Exact Match Domain” names and that he thinks right now having an exact match domain is giving a site too much power in the ranks and that this will be revealed in the coming months.
(citation: http://backlinksforum.com/main-backlinks-linkbuilding-discussion/3137-pubcon-matt-cutts.html)

So it should be no surprise that…

On January 21st Google released a “State of Search” type of blog post that dove into webspam. In short, they said even though they have already made great progress, they “have new efforts underway to continue to improve our search quality.” And.. “we’re evaluating multiple changes that should help drive spam levels even lower, including one change that primarily affects sites that copy others’ content and sites with low levels of original content.
(citation: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/01/google-search-and-search-engine-spam.html)

And then on January 28 Matt Cutt’s further told us on his blog in reference to the above quote, “That change was approved at our weekly quality launch meeting last Thursday and launched earlier this week.” And he went on to say… “The net effect is that searchers are more likely to see the sites that wrote the original content rather than a site that scraped or copied the original site’s content.
(citation: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/algorithm-change-launched/)

Well, I thought, that is great news!

Nobody likes the webspam sites anyway (junk you see in search results)

And, most of us who are doing any type of linking don’t want the site we are linking “from” showing up in the rankings and heaven forbid they land on top of the site we are linking “too.” (which sometimes happens if you are linking from an nice authority sites to a long tail keyword) I mean, we are NOT trying to rank THOSE sites so.. check, we’re good!

So then on Feb 7th, the shake down became obvious that it may not just be sites with low quality content being targeted, it may also be low quality linking was next on the list.

Back in the original January 21 Google blog posts said, “The new classifier is better at detecting spam on individual web pages, e.g., repeated spammy words—the sort of phrases you tend to see in junky, automated, self-promoting blog comments.” (see original site citation above)

Ok, check on that one too as I was glad I didn’t do any of THAT! lol

But Backlinksforum.com was buzzing with so much conflicting evidence that a direct pin point on exactly is causing a link devaluation is unclear at best. I just know none of my moneys sites that have been linked to exclusively from my private blog networks were NOT affected, AND, what surprised me most is that I had one of my assistants doing some testing with profile links and xrumer and THOSE money sites were not affected either as they all held their rankings. Hmmm.

One of my sites did however drop from  #4 to #17 on a major keyword, but I had also used someone else’s link network on it AND the links were not contextual) Hmm.

Then on Feb 12, the  JC Penny debacle was released to the world in the New York Times.  WOW!
(citation: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/business/13search.html?_r=2&scp=2&sq=jc+penny&st=cse)

Bottom lining it, JC Penny was in so many #1 spots that it drew attention to the New York Times and as they investigated their story, it drew the Google’s attention! Weather or not Google did a manual review and de-indexed sites that were contributing to the inflation of their rankings we won’t know for sure, but JC Penny’s rankings have suffered the same sort of ranking drops as many other seo’d sites. Not to the woodshed, but just a couple of spots or more.

And, since it has affected the entire SEO community, my bet is on the algorithm change that lowered JC Penny’s rankings not a manual review. Or maybe both, but one thing is for sure, the rest of us got caught in the back wash. lol ;-)

Oh and for the most part “Exact Match Domains” are history. There are some exceptions of course, but unless they are a .com and have age and size, they have been pushed back into the nowheresville just for being an EMD.

So, the take away is?

Google’s WebSpam engineers are baaaaaaack… making our lives interesting again! ;-)

 

DID SOMETHING JUST CLICK IN YOUR HEAD? It should of, 'cause the JC Penny thing happened LAST YEAR!

I wrote that post Feb 24th, 2011!!

And of course that was the Panda 1.0 update and the Article Networks were hit HARD! The SEO community divided on the use of posting articles as a SEO benefit.

One year later, Article Network pages still don't appear on page 1 results as they once did, but links are proving to be as beneficial as they ever were in proper link density (more on link density later.)

So lesson #1. Deja vu!

One year later, the SEO community is taking another beating almost to the day! This time it is blog networks taking the brunt of the hit as everyone turn themselves in when Google sent out those dreaded "Un-natually Linking" emails into webmasters inboxes. We need to remember that THIS is the nature of SEO and not to panic, blame or react until the dust settles.

Here is the rundown of the last couple of months as "I" saw it.

Jan-Feb, 2012

Unnatural Linking Emails From Google

Google sends out in excess of 750,000 "Linking" notices to webmasters boxes and scares the crapola out of even the most savvy SEO'ers. Webmasters turned themselves in and the blog networks started to unravel.

At first presuming moles, it is later consistently believed that SEO hosting IPs were the point of entry after webmasters declaration of sites and services they used. Google does what is presumed to be manual review and massive de-indexing of sites used in these services.

Google demands that webmasters get rid of these "un-natural links" that are pointing to their sites and the frenzy begins as webmasters panic and start link removal campaigns.

     
Jan 14th   Panda 3.2 Refresh -
     
Jan 19th

New Layout Improvement Update

Google introduces new layout update that dials down sites with aggressive ad layouts above the fold and goes almost unnoticed in comparison to the above.

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2012/01/page-layout-algorithm-improvement.html

     
Feb 7th  

I launched SeoLinkMonster with Brad and Matt Callen

Feb 15   We noticed a server of sites de-indexed, we get hammered in forums, we quickly replace sites thinking it was a bad batch of IPs
     
Feb 29th

Panda 3.3 Refresh! WOW!

This refresh was the most dramatic since 1.0 in my opinion and is when we really started seeing sites drop like bricks. Everyone is scrambling to try and figure out what the devalue is. I stop development on a SEO course I was working on until we could figure out what was going on.

     
March 10th

I notice more sites being de-indexed and start monitoring and replacing. It feels like Google is playing whack-a-mole with us as they de-index everything we put up. Customers quit in droves and link removal requests start to come in the masses.

     
March 15th

Matt Cutts confirms on twitter that blog networks are on their radar. :-(

     
March 20th BuildMyRank Closes its doors calling it a good run :-(
     
March 23rd  

Panda 3.4 Refresh

April 5th   I release update to SeoNitro customers signing a NDA
     
April 18

Negative SEO Case Study Reveled on Traffic Planet
http://trafficplanet.com/topic/2369-case-study-negative-seo-results/

This reveals the possibility that by pointing to many "exact match" anchor links at a site, that site will drop in rankings and opens the doors for much discussion concerning negative seo attacks on competitors.

     
April 19   2012 Panda 3.5 Refresh
     
April 24

Penguin!

Penguin Update is launched with an aim at combating WebSpam and gives examples of "keyword stuffing" and "linking schemes."

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.co.nz/2012/04/another-step-to-reward-high-quality.html

They create a dividing line between black and white hat SEO and it is apparent that anything other than making your site easier to crawl and putting good content on your site is Black Hat.

From Matt Cutts

"We want people doing white hat search engine optimization (or even no search engine optimization at all) to be free to focus on creating amazing, compelling web sites."

…"even no optimization at all…" yeah right, and pigs may just fly one day too! (From Matt Carters Blog in response to that, as it was too good not to repeat! lol)

     
End April to Present

The Aftermath

An endless amount of outrage, reviews, analysis and water cooler gossip about Google's new approach to SEO (how could they?!?)

A couple of great analytic reviews reveal that excessive "exact match" keywords in addition to excessive on-page optimization to are major culprits of the dial down.

     

And then...

May 10, Google's Matt Cutt's makes a revealing admission...

(citation: http://searchengineland.com/google-talks-penguin-update-recover-negative-seo-120463)

Um, "not about bad link networks?"

So even though the blog networks took the brunt of the blame this time around, all those notices were not the result of the blog networks? Wow!!

But, it actually makes sense.

Blog networks traditionally, and if done right, can't take on a massive amount of customers. I had only a little more than 400 in both SeoNitro and SEOLinkvine Elite so I knew "my" networks weren't responsible for 700,000 notices!! I don't know about BMR, HPRS, or ALNs membership stats but I would be surprised if all of us put together totaled more then 5k customers.

I had put that 2 + 2 together a long time ago, but it didn't seem to matter, the damage had been done. We (the collective SEO industry) told on ourselves and the unravelment of the incredible blog network ranking machines were thrust into the cross hairs of Google's de-indexing committee, and we did NOT win.

But here is the kicker.

Not only did they de-index the sites, they demanded that webmasters have their links taken off of those de-indexed sites before any reconsideration would be done.

Now, I scratch my head. Why would they demand links to be taken down if these links were on de-indexed sites that were dead, gone, forgotten, virtually rendered useless in the eyes of Google?

Except for the tattle tale element, there was nothing really compelling about it, I mean, surely Google is smart enough to know when a link is on a de-indexed site and rendered useless? Right? But the drill continued over and over, until we all blindly followed the piper and we took down links and then finally entire networks.

Mistake?

Now I would never want to open the can of worms or even suggest that de-indexed sites can still have some sort of relevance in Google. That would be ludicrous, wouldn't it? And I certainly would not want to get in ANY debate over it, I am still incredibly sore from the forum bashing's and hate mail I have received in the last couple of months over the entire de-indexing debacle the moment we launched SeoLinkMonster! Ughhh.

But.. I will say, I do have people in my line up that want those links.. de-indexed or not.

Strange right? I thought so until they have showed me examples of sites ranking for amazingly hard gambling keywords with the majority of links coming in from BLOGROLL LINKS on DE-INDEXED SITES!! Yeah, that's right, blogroll links!! Forget that the site is de-indexed, if that isn't enough, they were BLOGROLL LINKS!! (I haven't given blogroll links any credence in years, but I saw it for myself.)

And I checked those links and sure enough, most of them are on de-indexed sites. (I can't publish them here to protect the site owner so you will have to trust me on that one.)

Then I thought to myself, well it is true.. whenever we suffered partial de-indexing in the past it NEVER correlated with a drop in rankings. Hmmm

So what if it wasn't the de-indexing of the networks that made a lot of these sites drop? Hmmm

(I was among everyone that thought the ranking drops of blog network users were because of the loss of links derived from the mass de-indexing. I mean, if the site was de-indexed, the link was as good as gone, right?)

Well, just what if..

..what if it was actually a loss of links from the networks taking down links at customer requests in combination with the "exact match" keyword dial down?

(the "exact match" keyword dial down had been coming and getting stronger (or should I say weaker) for a while. I had done an entire write-up on it for my seo mastermind back in Nov, 2011 and had been advising customers to make sure they had a large percentage of URL (brand) links to balance their linking profile for years)

I then wondered if Google still crawled de-indexed sites?

Well one way to find out was to go look at the logs of the network sites that I had that had been de-indexed.

And to my surprise... they DO!

 

googlbot

WOW! ok..

This made me start digging a into money sites that had recently dropped in rankings.

And what I found was that in the sites that "I" looked at, every single one of them had a higher dead link percentage.

(IMPORTANT: a dead link is NOT a link from a de-indexed site, it is a link that is no longer there or the site is not available)

Average for dead links is running around 20% and anything with 40% or higher was NOT on the first page for their respective keywords and the ones over 70% were not in the first 100 for their respective keywords.

Here are three case studies I did for this article. Each of them in a different market and each had used blog networks, some more then others, but they all had dipped their toes into it.

You can see the affected sites on the left have a WAY larger % of dead links (in blue) and the two that dropped into the hundreds on the top right have a huge amount of dead links.

IMPORTANT: I want to say this again. Dead links are NOT a link from a de-indexed site, it is a link that is no longer there or the site is not available. The tool I used to pull this information does not decipher if the link is coming from a de-indexed site or not just if the link was THERE or not.

So what does all this mean?

I don't really know, but if we have a site ranking in the gambling industry that left their links up from de-index sites and sites that have dropped because they took those de-indexed links down, that there might be something here, and Google may have played us big time.

So, I am testing it.

I have created a case study on one of my own sites that ranks respectively in it's market and have just started a linking campaign towards it using ONLY de-indexed sites.

I am linking using industry phrases that I am currently NOT ranking for (top 1000) and if I show up for those keywords, then we know that de-indexed sites do play a role in ranking efforts. If I go down in my established rankings, then we know that links from de-indexed sites can be used to negatively seo a site. If nothing happens, then we know de-indexed sites do nothing. (which I am still inclined to think, but I will finish this out. lol.)

Lesson #2: Don't Panic!

I learned a long time ago to take what comes out of the mouths of Google's distinguished engineers with a discerning ear. Things may not be as they seem, and then again, they may be, but we won't know for sure until we test it. SEO changes all the time and a quick reaction may do you more harm than good.

Now with that said, I don't want to leave here with you thinking that the dead links are the ONLY contributing factor to the above sites loss in the rankings. That was something that was just glaring out at me and had to look into further.

But, as I studied theses particular sites and the competition that is currently on page one of Google for their respective keywords, in most cases I found the following post panda/penguin off-page disqualifies.

  1. Over 40% of their links were dead: as reported above (not de-indexed, dead as in sites that are NOT crawl-able)
  2. Social Factors were lower then competition: This means, not as many FaceBook "likes," "shares," Twitter "tweets," or Google+.
  3. Links were not diversified as much as the competition: (I am seeing a lot of directory, forum, blogroll, footer and sidebar links, go figure lol)
  4. Abnormally high "exact match" keywords: in what I have looked at it is really hard to come up with a general number as I have seen percentages all over the map, so look at your percentage as compared to your competition whom are ranking above you.
  5. Lower amount of onesy and twosy links: sites generally get a LOT of strange, varied links as no one thinks the same when linking so this also goes hand with #4. Get your percentage of anchor text that are only used once.

So lets go into the other 4 points a little deeper.

Social Factors

Let's face it, social factors have finally become a SEO factor.

For example, here is an example for Case Study #1 with the keyword being "model ships."

We see that even though we are not currently ranking for this keyword (and we were previously #2) our site has the most MozTrust and Linking Root Domains score and has the second best page authority, but is low on social aspects and especially low on "Times Shared on FaceBook" in comparison with the sites now ranking on page 1.

On Case Study #2 with the keywords of "moving companies" and "mover reviews" for the example on the left, again our two sites that have tanked are very low on social signals.

While this site out does everyone in Google+ in the group, our Facebook shares and likes along with tweets are the lowest.

In Case Study #3 it is important to note this site only dropped to the bottom of page two so the affects of Panda/Penguin were not as severe, but as we all know, going from the top of page one to the bottom of page two is like going to page 1000 traffic wise, so this drop is incredibly severe to the pocket book and worth analyzing the partial drop.

And as you can see, we have the best page authority and out match in almost every area and even have done a nice job in the social arena, so it may be a hint to why this site only was set back to page two.

Link Type Diversity

So, lets stay with this site and Case Study #3 for a moment as we look into reason number three why sites tanked, "Link Type Diversification." We can see that this site did a pretty good job as compared to the other two case studies.

And in every case, sites remaining on page one have a great deal of link type diversity. And I look at a lot of these links, and believe me, they are coming in from "low value sites!"

I hear a lot of SEO guru's telling people to try and get rid of these low value incoming links, but I say, the internet is mostly made up with low value links, de-indexed included, so chasing people down to have them stop linking to you may not be the best use of your time. Just sayin'. LOL

Lesson #3: Low Value Sites Make Up the Majority of the Internet

The internet is made up with low value links just by being the nature of the internet, so get links from them all, i.e. from article and web directories, forums, sidebar and blogroll (didn't think I would ever say that!! lol) blog networks, press releases networks, social, web 2.0, images, profiles, comments, etc.

And yes I want the authority links too, but might be funny if I only have PR5s pointed at me!

Anchor Text

And now we get so anchor text and look at Disqualifiers #4 and #5 as they go hand-in-hand.

This is probably the biggest post Panda/Penguin disqualifier as in most sites we will have researched did not diversify their link anchor density and were hit hard this go around with the "exact match" dial down.

Sticking to Case Study #3, let's look at the exact match anchor text ratio for the term "logo design" in comparison to page 1 sites.

We find that it is indeed the highest, but not totally out of the ball bark considering that LogoYes.com which is number 1 for the term pretty high as well compared to the others.

But the affected site has only 6.60% brand of incoming links (i.e., anything with their name or URL in it) while the other page 1 sites have them into the 26-35%. That says a lot.

But also noteworthy is that the affected site IS ranking on page 1 for the two terms that I show that have a lower exact match anchor density.

What is really great about the affected site is that it has a lot of onesy and twosy links that are all combined in the "other" category, so they are getting a lot of the "family" terms which we are finding important.

Another interesting thing about this case study is LogoMaker has an incredibly low exact match density for the term "logo design" except in the alt tag, which is the image descriptor. Hmm.

As we go up to Case Study #2 we find that our affected sites have VERY LITTLE brand incoming links. Ouch! This seems so drastically low that it is probably affecting a couple of the other low-density terms that I point out under site 2.



Another interesting thing about this is that TwoMenAndATruck.com have no (well trace amounts) of exact match incoming links for "moving companies" yet they rank on page 1 for it. hmmm

And look at MoverReviews.com with that HIGH exact match percentage for "Blue Horizon Shipping" where it ranks number 2. hmmm

(I would have to look at the other sites ranking for that term to see if that was high or not, but with the nice brand linking they have done, (and yes they rank number 1 for "mover reviews") they are looking in decent shape even though all the other metrics on our comparison charts were low.)

Lesson #4: Market/Keyword Sensitivity

This just shows me that EACH market/keyword is going to be different and I will have to research each one to understand what it will take to out rank my competition in that arena.

Case Study #2 was a little more difficult to do since I had two sites and different keywords, but hopefully it provided value as we look at the case studies as a whole.

Which leads us back to Case Study #1 for "model ships" and again our affected site has virtually no brand links coming in.

And again we see a site ranking (modelexpo-online.com) for a term with a trace amount of exact matches for this keyword that it is ranking on page 1 for. But this site has a ton of brand linking coming in and a lot of onesy and twosy links making it a very rounded site.

Lesson #5: Link Brand it!

It is natural for branded links (URLs) to come into your site, just look how many times I have done it in this article. And from what I just saw in these case studies, it is now become critically important.

So, besides the lessons that I pointed out along the way in this article, what are some of the solutions that can be taken for each of these disqualifiers.

And this isn't to say that this takes the place of great marketing and creating great content that people want to link to and like! LOL, I know you are already doing that. So if you are suffering from any of our disqualifiers, here is what you can do..

  1. Dead Links: as reported above (not de-indexed, dead as in sites that are NOT crawl-able)
    -Replace links as fast as possible: now this is a touchy subject since how can you replace links and not violate Google's guidelines? You can't. So take this advice as your tolerance level will handle. But for me, I am joining blog networks, creating directory listings, getting blog and forum comments and profile links, and yes, even blogroll links, and I am doing it in MASS for sites that lost in MASS. If your site didn't lose as many, then just get a few and you can be more selective.
    -Perhaps stop asking for your links to be taken down? (just sayin')

  2. Social Factors: Tweets, Likes, Shares and Pluses
    -Ask your friends and family to like you! LOL -Put out great content and ask people to share and tweet (like I do below ;-)
    -Can use automated services like Socialadr


  3. Link Diversification: Links from multiple sources and areas on page.
    -This is almost the same answer as for Dead Links.
    -Join blog networks with blog roll linking
    -Use Directory Maximizer for automated site directory submissions
    -Post Articles in article Directories
    -Put out Press Releases
    -Pre-Panda/Penguin I would of said head on over to Fiverr.com and get yourself some diversification, but I am kind-of hesitant cause I don't know if Google is watching things over there or not. I have no proof, just a gut reaction, so use your best judgement.

  4. Excess "Exact Match" Link Density: Too much of the same keyword!
    -You will need to do your competitive research so you can find out what is TOO high in your market/keyword. The groovy little tool I used for this is called LinkDensity that let's you compare link density metrics.
    -Do everything mention above about getting links, but BRAND, BRAND, BRAND!!
    -I am NOT going to even put an exact match keyword out there right now unless it is in the SAME anchor as my BRAND, i.e., SeoNitro.com SEO Training. ;-)

  5. Onesy and Twosy Links: Links where anchors do not repeat in your link density profile.
    -Search on Google for your keyword and scroll to the bottom and find what Google considers to be "family" match keywords
    -Go to a thesaurus and find synonyms of your keyword to use in you linking campaigns
    -Here is a sneaky thing I am doing, LOL. You know all that research I just did on my competitors? Well I am taking their "other" keywords and using THOSE (except for brands) to insert into my linking campaigns. hee hee

One More Thing..

..worth mentioning is On-Page factors are back and looking like Latent Semantic Indexing has finally come into play. I have not tested this, but have "heard" about it from a couple different sources (from people whom I consider know what they are talking about) and that this is helping sites that suffered and also ranking new sites at great speed.

The idea that is being presented is putting NEW content on your site using nothing but family keywords and synonyms that are used in your market and for the keyword you want to rank for and then linking to these new pages using brand or onesy, twosy types of links, which of course, are family anchors.

I also watch a great webinar that Matt Carter did with a guy who has been testing on-page factors related to Panda Recovery and seems to have narrowed it down to..

1) Article Inner Linking

2) Writing ON TOPIC rather then keywords

3) Bounce Rate

4) User Experience

Which seems to go hand-in-hand with what I am discovering with my off-page tests. It is a very good webinar and I recommend you watch it for more on-page guidance. He does sell a product at the end but don't let that keep you from getting the goods he is delivering on the call.

I hope this study was helpful for you. If you liked it, please pass it around. I could use some coveted shares, likes and tweets! :-)

And, if you would like to spend a weekend with me going over this type of stuff in addition to learning how to build your own quality link network, then head on over here and reserve a seat. I also have packages where I will build your private link network for you so you can have FULL control over your linking.

"A private blog network is still something very powerful if used correctly. Building one does take some time but once you have a few high pr blogs that you can use for link juice (and you are the only one who’s using it) chances are you will not get de-indexed as the site in your network won’t look any different from any other website on the internet."
http://internetmarketinghustle.com/seo/public-blog-networks-are-dead-what-should-we-be-doing-now

cheers,

Dori Friend

p.s. don't forget to comment below and let me know if you know of anything working or not working post Panda/Penguin as we are ALL interested. :-)

p.s.s. get on the update list to find out if Google did indeed make a fool of us when the test results come back from my de-indexing site valuation.


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Major SEO Research Tool (Yahoo Site Explorer) NOW Debunked!

Posted by Dori Friend
Dori Friend
SEO Geek. Dori Friend is the head and founder of SEONitro. She is the go to SEO
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on Tuesday, 15 November 2011
in SEO Industry News

 yahoo is gone

Have you tried doing a backlink search lately on Yahoo?

Guess what?

It doesn't work! :-(

Sometime over the weekend one of my staff members who does a LOT of research for me EVERYDAY, emails me to say, "Dori, something is wrong with Yahoo!, it is not giving me backlink detail for my research!"

And sure enough, I checked it out, and what I got was tragic!

powered by bing

It's not a total surprise since they did announce back in July (Bing Blog on Site Explorer Closer) they were going to close it down, but now that it is gone, well, makes me kind of sad. So now along with Yahoo! search..Yahoo! Site Explorer has gone totally Bing! 

 
And the worst part is, is that Bing is pulling a Google and NOT showing us all link data. They have redirected SEO's to their webmaster tools, but that isn't looking promising either. When asked about competitive data Duane Forrester of Bing says..

"..So, I will tell you about what I have about your website, and you can have hundreds of websites and I'll tell you about all of those individually through the tool set. I won't give you the facility to simply enter another domain of your choosing and get similar data back. "  -  from SEOMoz 10/20/11 White Board Interview

And they aren't, for example, I just did a search on www.About.com, a site we all know that has a gazillion links going into it, and while OpenSiteExplorer.com and MajesticSEO.com are reporting hundreds of thousands of backlinks, Yahoo! ala Bing, is reporting a measly 112! (And yes, Bing reports the same thing)

 


So, what does this mean?

1) Bing now has 30% search share and that is something to pay attention too.

2) SEO's will have to resort to 1 of 2 paid services for competive data (OpenSiteExplorer and MajesticSEO).

So for me, who uses this type of data everyday, it isn't that big a deal, and I belong to both. But, for the newbie or the person who needs the data only once in a while, the debunkness of Yahoo's Site Explorer Tool will be sorely missed.

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  • Roger
    Roger says #
    Hi Dori, I know this is a old post but just wondered if you have come across any new free or cheap backlink tools? I have tried ...
  • SEO Dan
    SEO Dan says #
    Well that totally sucks! I am a newbie SEOér and I totally depend on cheap sources for doing link research. This puts the larger...
  • Gigi
    Gigi says #
    1)Dori if i had a blog network that you would build for me where can i get unique content to sustain these blogs? 2) should i be c...
  • Online ACLS
    Online ACLS says #
    Solid stuff. Will miss the spytool for sure.
  • Jewel Jubic
    Jewel Jubic says #
    Yahoo! Site Explorer gives you best sites available!!
  • SEO
    SEO says #
    Arhhhhh.... its a conspriracy I tell you. Not sure what Bing stands to gain from hiding data like this. Oh well, hello SEO Majest...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Well, Today is the day it is all over! lol, Guess I was just a couple days premature with my announcement, but the writing was on ...
  • Dori Friend
    Dori Friend says #
    Thanks guys! I have ALWAYS just used the link: search parameter in Yahoo! to get to Site Explorer, strange that they would disco...
  • Mack the Knife
    Mack the Knife says #
    No problemo! The link popularity tool at marketleap.com is another alternative. Hat tip Andy Jenkins.
  • Aman
    Aman says #
    Its working fine for me to Doris...
  • Scott Bartell
    Scott Bartell says #
    Yahoo Site Explorer is not dead... You just used the wrong tool. http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/...
  • Vegar
    Vegar says #
    Yahoo! Site Explorer works for me as well. I have to go to siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com and log in to my Yahoo! account, but when...
  • Tim O'Keefe
    Tim O'Keefe says #
    Yah Kurt link:about.com but didn't linkdomain: url.com bring you to that page? I didn't usually use that I would use Quirk in Fir...
  • Kurt Schmitt
    Kurt Schmitt says #
    Tim - I could be wrong, but I believe that it used to be that link:domainname.com at the "Web" search box at Yahoo.com would bring...
  • Kurt Schmitt
    Kurt Schmitt says #
    Ooops... that second link should have been http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/search?p=about.com&bwm=i&bwmo=d&bwmf=s Sorry!...
  • StayBank
    StayBank says #
    Yahoo and Bing -- Needs more cowbell!
  • Kurt Schmitt
    Kurt Schmitt says #
    It's not dead yet. Yahoo! search has been pulling results from Bing for quite some time. No surprise there. For Yahoo! Site Explo...
  • Adam Maywald
    Adam Maywald says #
    Yup, I agree - still see it as well. Yahoo! Site Explorer still works fine. It's not the only tool out there, but it is still fu...
  • Wholenewmind
    Wholenewmind says #
    We all know it is coming but finally it happened. Great post! Thank you.
  • john
    john says #
    Yea i totally agree with you. BTW its very informative Thanks

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